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San Juan Holds a Town Hall Meeting about Illegal Immigration

Three top law enforcement officials say Wednesday they're doing the best they can with the limited resources they have.

 

Top immigration officials said Wednesday that they are doing the best they can with the limited resources they have to clamp down on illegal immigration.

The city of San Juan Capistrano hosted the panel, which included Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens, Timothy Robbins, director for the Los Angeles field office of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Chief Patrol Agent Paul Beeson of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s San Diego division.

About 60 local residents attended, most of whom demanded more vigilance in the effort to stem the tide of illegal immigration.

“We’re not here because we think a great job is being done,” said resident Clint Worthington. “We’re tired of people driving around without a license and insurance.”

He and other residents called for unlicensed drivers to be taken into custody and their cars impounded as a way to get more illegal immigrants off the streets.

But a continual theme the panel members sounded is that they can’t pursue every illegal alien with equal vigor. They have to decide which should and should not be detained, acknowledging that some do fall between the cracks.

“I wish I had a lot more room in my jails,” Hutchens said. “It gets down to, who do I let out? In a perfect world, anyone who commits a crime, we could keep them in jail. But we don’t live in a perfect world.”

The panel did call out efforts to show that they are making the most of the resources they do have. For example, ICE rents several hundred  beds at Orange County’s low-security James A. Musick Facility near Lake Forest to house detainees waiting for possible deportation, Hutchens said. They’re criminals who have served their time but cannot be deported yet.

The detainees are eventually handed over to federal authorities, Robbins said. Some are released back onto the streets if they post a bond. But if they are to be released, it is from a federal facility, not straight out of Musick in Lake Forest.

“We have 8,000 law enforcement officers. We can remove 400,000 aliens a year. If they gave us more money, we could deport more,” he said.

The Sheriff’s Department also trains a number of deputies in immigration procedure so that they can help determine whether someone in custody is an illegal alien, Hutchens said.

She considers the program “robust.” Between January 2007 and January 2012, 145,000 inmates were screened, 18,317 were interviewed by the specially trained deputies and officials placed an immigration hold on 14,967 of them. Those identified have a very low rate of returning to the criminal justice system in Orange County, she added.

Robbins said the Department of Homeland Security’s Secure Communities program allows the fingerprints taken from those arrested to be run through immigration databases as well as the FBI’s.

“We’re able to identify [illegal aliens] immediately,” he said. Federal agents can then make arrangements to transfer the suspected aliens during the time local law enforcement officials can legally hold them.

Members of the audience pressed Robbins to reveal the percentage of suspected illegal aliens who return to local streets. While he could not provide a number, he said in the end, a large majority do get deported.

The conversation took an emotional turn when San Juan Capistrano resident Shelby Cunningham revealed her daughter was killed by a drunk-driving illegal immigrant.

“I know I’m bitter, but I have a reason,” she said. “I do think we have a problem.”

After the presentation, Ailicec Figueroa, a 26-year-old Mission Viejo resident who grew up in San Juan Capistrano and who had voiced support for various law enforcement efforts in town – including the Gang Reduction and Intervention Partnership – went to comfort Cunningham.

Beeson said illegal immigration, at least at the border, has decreased greatly in recent years. When he first started his career 25 years ago, only 2,500 Border Patrol agents protected the entire country. By Sept. 11, 2001, that number was 10,000, and now it’s up to about 21,700.

Meanwhile, the number of people detained has dropped significantly, from more than 1 million annually to about 350,000. He credits more boots on the ground, better technology and better tactics.

“It’s certainly clear to me that this community is frustrated at the level of illegal immigration in our community,” Beeson said. “I’ve been doing this for 25 years. Please don’t think I’m not frustrated.”

Robbins added that although some in the audience were critical, he found it “refreshing” to be before such a pro-law enforcement audience.

 

 

 

 

Related Topics: Border Patrol, Illegal Aliens, Immigration And Customs Enforcement, Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens, and illegal immigration

PK

1:50 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Step 1. Our Government needs to stop encouraging these people to keep having children that they cannot afford. They need to give $ incentives TO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Free health care, lunches, schooling, even housing is paid for by the tax payers of this state, for people who are not even supposed to be here in the 1st place. Now what kind of sense does that make? None, unless you are here illegally. Because our government makes it way too easy for them to flourish here. We pay, they take. The current system is way out of balance and has become out of control.

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Elsa

6:20 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Isn't San Juan Capistrano a "Sanctuary City", perhaps funded through St. Joseph Sisters of Orange and our own Mission? I remember reading something to this effect. If true, then we're fighting a losing battle.

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V. Duvall

7:42 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

It's always going to be a loosing battle. They will NEVER go away. Most of them work and work hard. The problem is that they have no medical insurance except what is funded by our government. They can't drive legally so they drive with no license and no insurance. They crash because they never properly learned to drive. They take up space in schools so classes are crowded. They get free lunch and breakfast at the public schools. Most don't pay taxes because they have no social security number. Of course when we put them in jail they get 'three hots and a cot'. Then we have to pay welfare because the bread winner is in custody. So we give them money so they can stay here. We've created our own problem. Boy, are we stupid. If illegals weren't here, we could afford school and medi-cal and all the other programs that were developed to help AMERICANS, not people that are here illegally. We created the problem and it looks like we are stuck with it. FOREVER!

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Penny Arévalo

8:13 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Resident Kim McCarthy used the phrase "sanctuary city" last night. Later on, someone asked the panel if there is anything unique about the ordinances and programs in San Juan Capistrano that would make it a "sanctuary city." They said, other than being named after a saint, no.

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sjcnative1

9:28 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

To be fair, did you really expect an answer other than "no" on a sanctuary city? I would not expect the head of the Border Patrol agents who said he is responsible for 118 miles of out coastline to know that answer. In addition, he would have had to compare the ordinances and programs of all the other cities that he serves in San Diego and Orange Counties. Keep in mind that he just got back here a year ago after having been gone since 1985.
Did you expect the gentleman from ICE to know all of SJC's ordinances and programs. He had been serving in Washington DC. I really don't believe he would know SJC that well.
The Sheriff, said she has 13 contract cities and all of the unincorporated area, plus Harbor Patrol, 3200 sworn employees, etc. Did you really expect her to know the answer to that question?
If I remember correctly, it was Joe Soto who was Mayor at the time who called SJC a sanctuary city.
Ed Connor was the attorney who asked that question of the panel. He is also the attorney who threatened to sue the city over the parking on the north end of town on Camino Capistrano. Now look at Camino Capistrano north of La Zanja. It is beautiful. The residents can now use long park again. The accordian car is gone.
The residents of our city have benefitted by not listening to Ed Connor.
Yes Penny, your reporting is correct. However, there was just a little more to this story.

betzreyz

11:52 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

wow! so what should we do with all the Americans who keep our cities endangered because they choose to drink and drive and who are also responsible for deaths and for taking up tax money to pay for their jail cells? how about all the legal immigrants who get general relief because they are too lazy to work?

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sjcnative1

2:00 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Last time I checked those Americans pay fines and also higher insurance. As for the legal immigrants, I don't know of too many legal immigrants that are living off of others. If you have gone through the immigration process which is not easy to become a naturalized citizen, you show a propensity for hard work, which is not a characteristic of someone living off of taxpayer money.

Kim

2:35 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Who would ever think you could go to another country, demand that everything is in English, receive free medical care, a free education, food stamps and all the other "give aways" illegal immigrants have here. It is simply non-sense and we are paying the price.

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Dave Francis

3:10 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Everybody is complaining about both parties in Washington, but cannot find a few minutes to contact their Senators or Congress persons at 202-224-3121 and demand the vote for both federal MANDATORY E-Verify or amend the ‘Birthright Citizenship' Bill. Once enacted into law a massive exodus will commence, as illegal aliens and family members will return to their country of origin.

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Kim

5:17 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Dave, you are right, but, our own City would not agree to a mandatory e-verify, so where does that leave us? Reform should be started by citizens at the City level and move upward. Illegal immigration is too much of a political hot potato for politicians to handle, Sadly, we are left with no alternative but to pay the price.

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Matt Gaffney

9:56 am on Friday, February 24, 2012

My first thought on this meeting was why was it scheduled at such an inconvenient hour? I'd have liked to attend but 4-6 pm on a workday is tough to schedule. Perhaps there might've been greater attendance had it been scheduled in the evening. In reading the reports it appears that it's the same old thing. There's not enough law enforcement to adequately address the situation. If Capo could afford to blanket the city with Sheriffs things might change, but the city just doesn't have the money. Apparently neither do the Feds.

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SJCNative

4:52 pm on Friday, February 24, 2012

It is not the number of deputies Matt, it is that they do not have enough jail cells. The private sector has to do more with less, so should the public sector. Arizona puts them on tents and it works ok for them .

southcountynative

8:04 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Let me say this: to call a meeting in 2003 empowered LA Raza. I don't know of any other country whereby they are hired to enforce laws, and have peaceful meetings with people they are supposed to deport. In my opinion it is reverse discrimination to give me a ticket for anything I do wrong, when we ignore someone who lies to police about being licensed, and admits her wrong when her background is checked. She is told not to drive. 10 minutes after the police leave, she speeds away the wrong way down a 1 way parking lot in front of marco and does not stop for a red light. She had confidence - that what she was doing was OK! Illegal aliens fall back on our laws to protect themselves - ie: racial profiling, discrimination is the accusation we constantly battle... when in reality we have the legal right to ask them for papers. We are fearful of them and their ability to manipulate the law. I don't care if they are not doing much to hurt me personally, that does not give them the right to break the law. I am also hardworking, and a parent, and yet if I break the law - I deserve a reprimand. I do not see a gang of white people rallying anywhere talking about how unfair it is that their car was towed because one was driving on a suspended license, because they need to work or feed their kids. Point blank ride the bus. But with an illegal there is sympathy because "they are just trying to survive".

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southcountynative

2:20 pm on Saturday, April 21, 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city Well, Penny try this link: http://latinola.com/story.php?story=1045 At some point in 2003 illegal immigrants met with border patrol met with illegal aliens and pretty much apologized for doing their jobs. Somehow, it is not OK to detain people in front of stores, churches or schools. How anyone who is here illegally can afford themselves the right to tell the officers who are to protect the borders - and enforce the law - where to do it is INSANE. Also they claim sheriff is responsible for sending the kids to a group home, when it is a fact the father did not make arrangements - like we are instructed to do by having a few people on the emergency card in case of emergency - deportation is an expected emergency potential as well as sudden illness. The card protects the school from releasing minors to people who may be on a court order to not have access. YOu only provide restraining orders to school for parents. Not uncles or whoever. The man should have provided the school with names of those who can access and care for the kids in case. Why - at that point we all had to bow down to agreeing to not deport where these people feel it is inconvenient is beyond my comprehension. Penny THERE IS ABSOLUTELY something different about SJC since those meetings - aka we became a sanctuary city by definition by the way we enforce. At some point border partol picked up 40. How many are picked up now. We have more patrol. cont'd

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southcountynative

2:27 pm on Saturday, April 21, 2012

contd.. I want to say this: IF I committed a crime - I do not mandate - you can only arrest me if my kids are dropped off, and on the way can you get them McDonald's, and wait let me cancel my nail appt and pick up dry cleaning? Thus, we are a sanctuary city by way of what happened to the all too familiar symathy for children. And the children are not victims of our laws. They are clearly victims of a father that did not pay appropriate attention to the schools safety policies for emergency. The sheriff followed the policy. The father was knowingly breaking the law each day he stood on the ground in this country, state, city! He was irresponsible for being here in the 1st place. he was here long enough to arrange if he was a productive person, possibly an employer to sponsor him.. after all his oldest kid was 11. 11 years of not filling out complete school paperwork - is the infraction of the parent who is clearly a victim of himself. We are and will be a sanctuary city, until I can also commit a crime, and dictate where they will enforce it. I as a citizen am bound to follow laws and I am happy to do so. But if I do not, my kids are going to be victims of my choices, just as these precious kids were. SAD

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