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UPDATED: Deputies' Union Defends Fatal Shooting of Marine

Sgt. Manny Loggins' daughters told the deputy their father had been acting oddly, according to a statement by the Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs. The union asserts its member prevented harm to Loggins' children and other motorists.

The deputy who fatally shot Marine Sgt. Manny Loggins in the parking lot of San Clemente High School last week was justified and prevented further danger, Orange County's police union said Tuesday in a statement.

“The Manuel Loggins described by his friends and loved ones in the media is not the Manuel Loggins encountered by our deputies the morning of Feb. 7," said Tom Dominguez, president of the Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs.

Even Loggins' young daughters, sitting in the back seat, told deputies their father had been behaving strangely that morning, Dominguez said.

The Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs asserts that the deputy who opened fire, himself a four-year Marine veteran and a 15-year veteran of the Orange County Sheriff's Department, saved Loggins' two daughters and other motorists from possible harm.

The deputy has twice been awarded the department’s Medal for Lifesaving and the Medal of Courage, the union press release said.

“It is heartbreaking that Manuel Loggins created a situation that put his children in danger and ultimately cost him his life,” Dominguez said. "It is unfortunate that his actions put his own children into immediate danger and resulted in his death."

The following is a narrative of the shooting directly from the union press release, which adds details previously not made public. The account was based on information provided by the deputy's attorney:

On February 7, 2012, at around 4:30 in the morning, Manuel Loggins Jr., 31, driving with his two daughters, 9 and 14, unseatbelted in the back seat of his GMC Yukon, plowed through a locked gate at San Clemente High School.

The force of the crash left sections of the gate embedded in the bottom of the Yukon and drew the attention of an on-duty sheriff’s deputy who was in an adjacent parking lot writing reports.

After coming to a stop, Loggins got out of the Yukon, ignored repeated orders from the uniformed deputy sheriff, and walked off into the dark, abandoning his two daughters left behind in the Yukon. The deputy began to follow Loggins on foot when he heard children’s screams coming from the car. The deputy then returned to the Yukon, and found Loggins’ two girls.

Loggins, now in a darkened part of the adjacent field, could be heard yelling irrational statements. The deputy radioed for immediate assistance, informing dispatchers of a hit-and-run accident and child endangerment situation.

Additional sheriff’s personnel arrived and comforted the children in the back seat. Loggins’ children told deputies their father had been acting oddly. A few minutes later, Loggins unexpectedly and quickly returned to his Yukon. Deputies repeatedly ordered him to stop. Loggins did not stop, ignoring the deputies who now had their weapons drawn, and got into the driver’s side of the car, despite multiple warnings.

Deputies warned Loggins not to start the car. Loggins ignored these and repeated other warnings, started the Yukon and placed it in gear. It was then clear that Loggins was going to drive off and further endanger the children. As the Yukon began to move forward, he was shot by the deputy next to the driver’s window. The car was stopped, the children were removed and medical aid was rendered to Loggins, who did not survive.

In a phone interview Tuesday afternoon, Dominguez acknowledged it was unusual for the union to speak out while an officer-involved shooting was still under investigation. But he said some early reports in the media were in error.

The Sheriff's Department . A few days later, the , issuing an account more in line with the union narrative above, although not as detailed.

Dominguez said union officials felt an obligation to the deputy and to the community to set the record straight.

However, a number of questions remain unanswered.

For instance, when asked why deputies didn't immediately remove Loggins' daughters from the Yukon, or didn't use their patrol cars to block him from driving away, rather than resorting to deadly force, Dominguez said he couldn't respond because he wasn't on-scene and didn't interview the deputy or other witnesses.

"The facts about the particular case as we know them are outlined in the narrative," he said. "I can't address specific circumstances that aren't outlined in the release."

Dominguez also wouldn't comment on whether the union would play a legal role in defending the deputy if Loggins' family sued him or the department.

"It's way to early to even discuss that," he said.

Meanwhile, the deputy who did the shooting may be back patrolling his beat.

Department policy requires deputies involved in any kind of traumatic incident to take three shifts off. Most deputy work weeks consist of three, 12-hour shifts, with every other weekend as a four-day weekend, but the deputy's personal work schedule is not available, Dominguez said.

Meanwhile, Loggins' family in Joliet, Ill., told a Patch editor there that they were not yet ready to speak to the press.

"I can't tell you anything," Manuel L. Loggins Sr. told the Shorewood, Ill., Patch editor. "I don't know anything."

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Roy Rivenburg February 15, 2012 at 09:55 PM
Please repost without the four-letter words.
SC Resident February 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM
The Marine is clearly screwed up. He endangered his daughters in several ways. FIRST he breaks the law by speeding down Pico. After he CRASHES through the gate and brings his huge SUV to a stop, he walks away, leaving his two minors alone in the car at 5 am, so he can get out to rant and rave. As he returns to his vehicle, he is ordered instructions by a uniformed police officer. I guess Marines aren't trained to follow instructions? Or did he just think he's above the law? When a cop tells you to do something, YOU DO IT - no questions asked! Everyone keeps whining that he didn't have a weapon.....uh, YEAH, HE DID HAVE A WEAPON! It's called a 5,000 lb vehicle! The guy is clearly acting irrationally, and the cop's supposed to let him drive away with his daughters in the car? Stop blaming everything on the cops! This whole scene would've been avoided had the guy followed directions.
GreenInOC February 15, 2012 at 10:10 PM
@SC Resident, the problem with that is that the "facts" you state were provided by the OCSD. No other witnesses and probably most disturbing, their story keeps changing. First the man was speeding down Pico and avoiding a traffic stop. Then the story changed, Sgt. Loggins crashed through the gates while the deputy was in his car. The gate that he "crashed" through, to the best of my knowledge, is a swing arm gate that any car could easily push through at a low rate of speed. What it he was sick, having a seizure, experiencing a low blood sugar reaction, etc...? The guy didn't have the weapon of his car - the deputies allowed him to walk back to his car and the deputy feared for this life, then the story changed to they knew that their were minors inside and they allowed him to walk back and get inside? That doesn't make sense. So many more parts of this don't add up.
Douglas Keachie February 15, 2012 at 10:18 PM
Well, the wreckage looks a lot like a metal pole and chain type of temporary fence, that is occasionally stuck in holes in the ground, and often removed complelely for days on end, One person says: Gabriella Rauff Gilles · Laguna Niguel, California Kelly, I live by San Clemente and the gate there is never closed!!!! The Marine went there all the time to walk so he probably assumed the gate was opend and turned into it rather than "crashing into it." As for getting up and taking you kids out to walk in the early morning before school; obviously you have never done any sports because getting a work out in and spending time with your family some times requires getting up early. Runners know about hitting the high school track at 5 am for tempo runs.
Douglas Keachie February 15, 2012 at 10:19 PM
A most exellent report by S Rose above.
Douglas Keachie February 15, 2012 at 10:39 PM
If the Marine had left a gun on the ground when he walked away, would not the cop had secured it? Likewise, if the cop felt that the 5000 (really probably closer to 8000) pound vehicle might become a threat, he could have popped the hood and disabled that too.
SRose February 15, 2012 at 10:40 PM
Exactly. To not "let him drive away" means only ONE OPTION & that is to shoot & kill him. Are we void of displaying some common sense in our own justification or defense of this tragedy? Police officers are clearly trained to handle situations with much more tact than this man. If you believe someone deserves to be shot & killed because their actions are rendered as "irrational" and because they fail to follow directions then I feel sorry for you. You display nothing but an argument loosely supported by assumptions & a sad theory on what justifies a murder.
Douglas Keachie February 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM
How much you wanna bet the girls wanted to go comfort their father and were ordered by the cop to "STAY IN THE VEHICLE!"
Douglas Keachie February 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM
Not hard to disable a vehicle when you are a cop. The officer has shown he knew how to use a gun.
James February 16, 2012 at 02:55 AM
I like in the statement the Deputy's attorny released he tries to make Sgt Loggins look bad with "he left the vehicle abandoning his children" But if you look up in websters dictionary two definitions .a : to give up to the control or influence of another person or agent b : to give up with the intent of never again claiming a right or interest in <abandon property> ... It looks more like the police abadon the children, I mean Sgt Loggins came back to claim his kids.
James February 16, 2012 at 03:04 AM
I am not going to lie before this case came up, i was kind of ignorant like some others who posted on this site. I got tired of hearing how a cop killed a drug dealer that was resisting and not listening, then on the news the family talking how good of a man he was and he supported the family. I too use to think screw it if you dont listen to the police they should have the right to kill you. but now that its a Marine i guess i am paying more attention to all the details of the case and it just don't seem to make sense to me that you would kill an unarmed man literally 2 feet in front of his kids. yes a 10,000 lb vehicle would be a weapon, if it was being driven towards a cop, maybe one of the other deputys should have stood in front of the vehicle maybe 50 ft for safety in the case he tried to continue to go then the officer on the side could shoot him and justify he would have hit my partner if I didnt shoot him. That would have been an immediate threat to life. But if i let him take off "maybe" he would have driven crazy and hurt the kids, that i didnt safely secure or possibly hurt someone else a death sentence? Just seems extreme to me.
James February 16, 2012 at 03:12 AM
Also again they release so little information you cant make a real educated opinion. If Sgt Loggins' Irrational ranting was " Yes God! I will obey your orders. I will destroy anyone who gets in my way from driving my family into a wall. Well I guess I might have shot him as well; With all the story changing i wont even believe the investigation results because i have a sick feeling he will be cleared as a hero once again. Unless they were to show the dash Cam I can't believe anything they say.
samantha February 16, 2012 at 08:45 PM
um.......I am one of those friends who would honor and support loggins. I don't care if that cop was a marine that doean't mean he's not a murderer!! Too many holes that story when I have personal expsrince.
K Alongi February 17, 2012 at 07:09 PM
why didn't he shoot out the tires? Kill the guy for acting "irrationally" - ridiculous!
K Alongi February 17, 2012 at 07:11 PM
right! I want to see the dash cam which they said got it all - now they are just blustering if they don't produce something!
K Alongi February 17, 2012 at 07:19 PM
lExactly! Well said - so sad!
K Alongi February 17, 2012 at 07:21 PM
sad - but SO TRUE!
K Alongi February 17, 2012 at 07:29 PM
Sadly, there is NO WAY they can justify this situation to anyone (except themselves) - the stories are changing to cover their xxxs!
Iraq vet February 25, 2012 at 03:40 AM
I agree, heck pistol whip, or use your club to beat him down and not allow him into the truck. Anything to keep from having to have to kill him. Even in a combat zone we would go to jail for murder if we messed up this bad. This guy will most likely keep his job, and have an extended paid vacation.
Connie Miller February 27, 2012 at 12:04 AM
The eldest daughter is 14 - quite able to take care of herself and her little sister in a car for a few minutes. SGT Loggins day was starting off badly. It's my guess he went to check the gate (which is always open) and then to see if anyone was on the track. In other words, find out what's going on. Natural reaction. My personal guess is that the girls were yelling for their Dad because there were police with guns around their car.
Rob March 06, 2012 at 07:01 AM
You got that right. The OC Sheriff Dept is out of control. And that union explanation is a load of balony. By that rationale, you are entitled to shoot anyone for any meaningless inquiry or offense on the grounds that it 'may possibly' prevent further harm??? What a crock! I suppose its possible that pigs might mutate and fly, but that doesn't make it likely or reasonable.
Rob March 06, 2012 at 07:04 AM
What ridiculous logic. By your standard, if you can imagine any subsequent danger - police are free to shoot to kill to prevent further harm. That was never the law nor what the law intended. There was no need to kill this marine, particularly in front of his kids. The cop not only needs to be fired, he needs to spend the next decade of his life reflecting on what he did in a 10 x 6 cell with a roommate.
Rob March 06, 2012 at 07:06 AM
I tend to support law enforcement. However we do law enforcement and law and order no favors when we condone this kind of thing. Rogues like this need to be rooted out, and it needs to be done before they kill a marine in front of his children for doing nothing remotely approaching the need for lethal force.
Rob March 06, 2012 at 07:08 AM
You got that right!
Rob March 06, 2012 at 07:12 AM
Congratulations on a well stated and compelling response. I hope this officer faces the music and I get to serve on that jury. He murdered that marine,...and ruined the life of his children who witnessed Dad's blood and death, and the life of his spouse, and even the unborn child. Shame on you officer. SHAME on you UNION. Neither of you fool the public for a second.
Bo Bo March 06, 2012 at 05:03 PM
Vicki Mason Have someone that knows English writing check your posts and letters before you send it. example: have wrote- is not correct if the family suits-is not correct Now this is only a couple of lines of correspondence but it kind of invalidates your message to anyone.
Bo Bo March 06, 2012 at 05:05 PM
Got that right on the money.
Bo Bo March 06, 2012 at 05:07 PM
oj was escorted by 8 patrol cars, 2 helicopters and 2 motorcycles through out O.C. Anddd no charges were even filed.
Tony Johnson April 05, 2012 at 05:46 PM
The police have too much legal immunity. This is the reason for the brutality. I think it's time nation wide to have accountability in police work. They no longer serve the public, they serve themselves
Tony Johnson April 05, 2012 at 05:48 PM
He wasn't killed by police either. maybe they are killing people because their DA can't win a court cases.

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