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Marine's Young Daughters Were in Car When He Was Fatally Shot by Deputy

Officials say deputy feared for his life when he took aim at Sgt. Manuel Loggins after a predawn traffic stop at San Clemente High School. Friends describe Loggins as a deeply religious family man.

A predawn traffic stop that ended in the shooting death of a Marine Corps sergeant unfolded while the man's two young daughters were in the back seat of his GMC Yukon, officials confirmed Thursday.

Sgt. Manny Levi Loggins Jr. was shot early Tuesday by an Orange County Sheriff's deputy who said he feared for his life after Loggins drove erratically into the parking lot of San Clemente High School and ignored the deputy's commands, according to sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino.

The deputy opened fire while Loggins' two girls, ages 9 and 14, were in the back seat of the Yukon, Amormino said Thursday, confirming a Patch story published Wednesday night. Neither girl was injured.

UPDATE:

Amormino said the incident began around 4:40 a.m. Tuesday, as the deputy sat in his patrol car at San Clemente High, writing reports.

The deputy saw Loggins' white Yukon speed down Pico, swing into the parking lot through the west entrance and smash into a barrier leading to the athletic fields, Amormino said.

The deputy pulled up behind Loggins, who got out of the car and walked toward the athletic field, ignoring orders by the deputy, Amormino said. Then, Loggins stopped and returned to the Yukon where "something happened that made the deputy fear for his life."

Precisley what that was is "under investigation," Amormino said.

A 'God-Loving Family Man'

On Wednesday, as law enforcement officials remained virtually silent about the case, Loggins' friends and colleagues described the Illinois transplant as a deeply religious family man and raised questions about the shooting.

“We’re upset,” said Aaron Banks, a former corporal who served under Loggins. “It’s hard to tell—we don’t know the facts. Now that there’s police involvement, they don’t give us the right to know, but they get the right to get their story out. The media just doesn’t have all the facts. And why was he shot? If you read the articles, you have nothing to go on.”

Other sources who didn't wish to be named contacted Patch throughout the day Wednesday to confirm Loggins’ identity and report that his daughters were with him when the deputy opened fire. One source described him as a "God-loving, hard-working family man."

A search by Patch of criminal records in Orange and San Diego counties, as well as in two other counties where Loggins has lived, turned up nothing but traffic infractions.

On Thursday, officials confirmed Loggins' name and that his daughters were at the scene of the shooting.

Loggins, who died two weeks shy of his 32nd birthday, had been living in an on-base neighborhood just inside Camp Pendleton’s San Onofre gate, according to California voter records.

Loggins completed his Marine Corps training in San Diego in 1999, according to his hometown newspaper, the Joliet (Ill.) Herald News. The paper identified his mother and father as Mary J. and Manuel L. Loggins of Joliet.

According to a back issue of Hawaii Marine, a military newspaper, Loggins served on the island in 2005 as a personal property noncommissioned officer, handling shipments of Marines’ household effects as they transferred between assignments.

It was in Hawaii where Banks—then a private first class—said he met Loggins.

“I served under him in Marine Corps Base Hawaii in 2005 for about a year,” Banks said in a phone interview with Patch on Wednesday night. “He was my sergeant and he basically taught me how to be a Marine. He basically was a father figure to show me the ropes.”

Capt. Barry Edwards, a spokesman, said Loggins had not been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan during his career.

"His personal decorations include a Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal, two Navy Unit Commendations, three Marine Corps Good Conduct Medals, the National Defense Service Medal, a Korean Defense Service Medal and the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal," according to a release from Camp Pendleton.

Banks, 28, who now lives in El Monte, said he has been in contact with a close friend of the Loggins family and fellow former Marines who knew the sergeant.

Sketchy Details

Until Thursday morning, officials offered little information on the shooting.

The Orange County District Attorney’s Office—the agency that investigates all officer-involved shootings in Orange County—declined to comment, saying its policy is to remain silent until the investigation is complete, typically weeks or months after an incident.

And the county coroner's office, which is part of the Sheriff's Department, has thus far refused to disclose even the time of Loggins' death.

Orange County Fire Authority Captain Marc Stone said Wednesday that Loggins was in "full [cardiac] arrest" when paramedics took him to Mission Hospital Tuesday, meaning the medics were performing CPR and other measures as they rode to keep him alive.

UPDATE: On Friday, the Sheriff's Department released more details on the shooting. to read the story.

Terry Robinson March 02, 2012 at 01:13 PM
Just another thought here....if the deputy really wanted or intended to cover-up, all he really had to do was say he thought he saw a weapon....no one could really challenge that. From what I have read so far....he has never said that.
jeff s March 02, 2012 at 01:25 PM
Wow you think he's going to try to lie and get his buddies there to lie too? Make an IA conspiracy...? You watch too many cop movies dude.. Not a chance. Foolishness..
Terry Robinson March 02, 2012 at 01:31 PM
No I don't think he is going to lie....precisely my point.
Chris McLaughlin March 02, 2012 at 03:33 PM
Hey Terry, Jeff, think about how the official story changed from the Deputy felt threatened for his life to the idea that he was protecting the children and preventing further harm to them. I bet everyone connected with the story early on, almost by default, assumed that the Deputy shot him because he was attacking the Police, because that's the norm, and the most plausible reason people see as justification for shooting a suspect. But then they saw the tape, and talked to the other Deputies, and they knew that just wasn't the case. They had already cleared the car of any weapons when they saw the kids in there screaming and saying he was acting oddly. I'm sure the videotape shows Sgt Loggins clearly showing no threat towards the Deputies, so then they had to change the story. But think about what everyone assumed at first (because that would have been most sensible/acceptable).
Terry Robinson March 02, 2012 at 04:23 PM
Chris.....do we know if the 'official' story changed due to the media jumping to conclusions or because of a tape? Have we ever heard whether there is actually a tape or not?
Chris McLaughlin March 02, 2012 at 04:32 PM
Terry, how closely have you been following this story?? One of the later articles confirmed that the Police have the dashcam video. It may have been the ABC News piece that aired and is linked in another article on the San Clemente Patch. That's why so many people have been demanding to see the dashcam video, because it's been confirmed to exist. I don't want to see Sgt. Loggins actually get shot, but everything up to the shots firing should one day be in the public domain. I don't know why the official story changed. I'm just speculating as to what information was available right away, and then what happened after the realizations set in from watching the dashcam video and interviewing the other Deputies present.
Bo Bo March 02, 2012 at 04:54 PM
Chris What am I missing??? The policy you wrote says, "as reasonably perceived by the deputy at the time". Soooo he will say what he said about the children.. Case over.
Terry Robinson March 02, 2012 at 05:05 PM
Chris....I am trying to pay as much attention as my time allows....I wish I had a lot more, as this is very important. That is why I ask questions and thankfully there are those like you who can keep me up to date, when I ask. Thank you. Glad to hear there is a dashcam video. Hopefully video will be released soon and put so much speculation to rest. Actually I enjoy the speculation in that it is an exercise into deep thought, so long as no one insists it is correct before the fact. As for keeping things quiet....my husband had a serious accident on the job several years ago. The guy who caused it (a friend of my husbands)was told by his attorney to say nothing to any one...not even to apologize to my husband because anything said could be taken out of context. Strange world we find ourselves in.
jeff s March 02, 2012 at 05:11 PM
the silence is simply killing the credibility and little remaining trust anyone has on the OCSD - absolutley killing it. they will never regain public confidence and trust as a result of their arrogant and pompous silence tactic here..
Chris McLaughlin March 02, 2012 at 05:44 PM
Bo Bo, I think you're missing the legal definition of the word 'reasonably'. It's not carte blanche to do whatever you want, act on any whim as you see fit as long as you're in uniform/on duty. It has to be reasonable, meaning makes sense based on what information was available and what you've been trained to do. I doubt there's anything in the training saying you should shoot an unarmed man who's not attacking you. I bet there is stuff in the training about other ways to disable a vehicle or disfuse a potentially dangerous situation other than shooting the driver. Tasers? Warning shot? Blocking a car with a Police vehicle? Shooting out the windshield?? PITT manuever? Spike strips?? That electrical thing that disables a car's electrical system rendering it undrivable?? Opening the car door and getting the kids out of harms way?? If any of these actions were reasonably warranted and feasible, and not used, I think it's a pretty clear case that a crime has been committed. If it was an easy case to close based on whatever the Deputy says he was feeling at the time, it would have been closed by now.
Chris McLaughlin March 02, 2012 at 05:53 PM
Okay, Terry, I'm sorry for sounding snarky. The thing about saying you're sorry, or your attorney advising you not to, it comes up in malpractice cases, too. The doctor's lawyers always tell them the same thing, to never say to the patient or their family that you're sorry, since it'll be taken as an admission of guilt in court. So they never say they're sorry, or flat out refuse to talk to the patient/family, and that usually ends up being the chief reason that the patient/family decides to sue, because the doctor never said they're sorry or showed any remorse/hint of wrongdoing. Some state actually had to pass a law saying that doctors could say they're sorry and it couldn't be used against them as an admission of guilt, to try to minimize malpractice suits, and therefore malpractice insurance costs. Same thing applies here. The way the Police Union has publicly pinned this on the victim, and the Deputy had made no statement of sympathy/apology, etc, probably exactly because that's what their lawyers told them to do, is inexcusable to me. It shows that they have no intention of reforming themselves, that they're able to justify in their minds the killing of an unarmed, unthreatening man in front of his kids, and that is absolutely unacceptable to me.
Chris McLaughlin March 02, 2012 at 06:50 PM
You've got about an hour to submit Public Comments online for next week's County Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday: http://egov.ocgov.com/ocgov/Government/Board%20of%20Supervisors/Voice%20Your%20Opinion%20Online
Beverly March 03, 2012 at 07:53 AM
Monday morning quarterbacks, all of you. Seriously, you were not there. You people sitting in judgement really believe men & women in law enforcement choose their profession just so they can go out and beat up on and shoot and kill others? Sickening.
jeff s March 03, 2012 at 03:04 PM
Well actually yes I do. It's a proven statistical fact that many law enforcement folks join up because of their uncontrollable need for power and sociopathic sense of self importance. Of course the interview and a academy processes weed them out, but not of all of the megalomaniacs.... Some sneek in and make it through to patrol man... So watch out!
Terry Robinson March 03, 2012 at 03:12 PM
Beverly.....by reading these comments, I am afraid that you will find the majority are right there ready to condemn the police immediately. You are right..... It is sickening. Those who try to point this out are labeled badly as well.
jeff s March 03, 2012 at 03:49 PM
So we can't question authority terry? Condoning bad cops gets me "labelled"!?? What post nazi world are you living in labeling folks? Lunacy.. You are sickening. Move to china and start labeling all the dissidents who question murderous "public servants". Your ..."heroes"
Terry Robinson March 03, 2012 at 04:19 PM
Good grief Jeff..... You are absolutely correct about the fact that there are a few bad police....the police will tell you that but you use the 'many' word! . There are bad seeds everywhere and in every profession. There are serial killers working in convalescent hospitals. There are pedophiles in the Boy Scouts. That said.....What makes you imagine that this deputy was one of the bad ones determined to cause harm? There is a very big picture here and so much to consider...it is not so simple as a possible rogue deputy.
Terry Robinson March 03, 2012 at 05:19 PM
Well Jeff..... Of course one can and should question authority. Also, no one was labeling you. Based on the bulk of your comments, and especially this last one, I would say that it is spoken by someone who appears to be a true example for labeling. You are welcome to your opinion and your labeling and your avoidance of answering direct questions.....keep up the good work, it's ever so helpful.
jeff s March 04, 2012 at 04:15 AM
You have been labelled as a tap dancer.. As such we expect you to wear this in public on your right arm. A yellow label will do. Are you happy now Terry?
Chris McLaughlin March 04, 2012 at 06:13 AM
Beverly, 'Monday morning quarterbacks' is hardly appropriate in this situation. This isn't about sports, it's been four weeks since the killing, and there's been no official updates for weeks. The current frustration is over the time it's taking to bring justice to the situation, and the longer it drags out the more it smells of cover-up/corruption. As far as why police officers go into law enforcement, I'm sure here are some truly rotten apples that try to become cops that hopefully never make it, but for the current situation, it's less about the individuals and their motivations than the institution at large, in my mind. I mean, you're always going to have bad apples, or cops that go bad on the job, but the important thing is how the organization deals with it (or doesn't deal with it). I'd like to believe that Deputy Sandberg is not a brutal cop who was a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off tragically, that he truly just made a horrible judgement call under stressful conditions, in terms of over-estimating the danger posed by Sgt. Loggins and under-performing in terms of defusing a potentially violent situation peacefully, but you wouldn't think that from his lack of official statement (and the stated position of the Police Union). He doesn't seem sorry at all for having done this and was hiding in anonymity as long as possible. Of course that's what the lawyers advise, but if Sandberg wanted us to believe it was a mistake, he would have said so by now.
Bo Bo March 04, 2012 at 06:22 PM
jeff When I applied in 1999 for the LAPD I was given a battery of tests. Physical & mental. Then interviewed by three persons on my outlook on what was most troubling to me regarding the community. I think this was a way to weed out people just looking for a job with no foresight as to what was right and wrong. When I applied for the sheriff's dept. the old dude who was an ex police officer I think or maybe actually working rejected me on the spot. He was totally arrogant and his demeanor was above the law. I had such a distaste for him and I only interviewed for 10 minutes. The sheriff dept. had absolutely no public relations skills. Were other interviewers like this one? I have know idea but I imagine they are all trained this way.
April Josephson March 04, 2012 at 08:16 PM
Chris, I take it you submitted. Are you going to attend? If not, would it be appropriate to post your comments?
Chris McLaughlin March 04, 2012 at 09:38 PM
Thanks April, I'm not sure if I'll be able to make the Tuesday meeting. I did submit written Public Comments on Friday, in time to be included in Tuesday's meeting. They have a 250-character limit. It says a copy is sent to every Supervisor, and I sent a copy to Supervisor Bates myself, but here there are: What is the status of the investigation into the shooting death of Marine Corps Sergeant Manuel Loggins by OCSD Deputy Darren Sandberg in San Clemente on Feb 7th?? Is an indictment pending?? Is the DA busy with something more important?? I obviously have more to say on it than that, but that's 237 characters...
ms.sc. March 04, 2012 at 09:46 PM
Bo Bo, you and Spicoli on "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" crack-me-up! Party on "dude", order a pizza, and I bet you have "no idea"! Too funny!
Bo Bo March 05, 2012 at 04:56 PM
Not familiar with Spicoli but I am from N.J. I majored in Criminal Justice.
V. Duvall March 05, 2012 at 11:59 PM
Thank you Beverly. I've given up trying to chat with these people. Too much BS between them.
V. Duvall March 06, 2012 at 12:01 AM
Thank you Beverly. I've given up on trying to chat with these people. Too much BS between them
Bo Bo March 06, 2012 at 04:35 PM
Female LAPD detective on trial for murder.
Bo Bo March 06, 2012 at 04:39 PM
V Duvall Thank you Beverly. I've given up trying to chat with these people. Too much BS between them. Please to not give up. That is what they want. The SILENCE of the LAMBS.....
jeff s March 06, 2012 at 06:13 PM
Duvall... Emotional... Gone off the deep end with this thread. Label him Beverly quick!!

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