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Business Groups Should Bear More Costs, Councilmen Say

Some council members said Tuesday they want to spend less tax money subsidizing events held by business groups.

Though the San Clemente City Council Tuesday approved tens of thousands of 2013 budget dollars for the town's Chamber of Commerce and Downtown Business Association, some members said they want to wean the groups off city funds.

and were firmly in favor of allocating the money to the organizations, which use it to put on many community-wide events. Evert said the organizations provide vital community services, and Donchak said she saw the allocations as "an investment in branding" for the city.

"These events kindle our city," Donchak said.

was strongly against both allocations—$31,000 for the Chamber to print its visitor's guide and operate the banner program throughout the city and $44,000 for the Downtown Business Association for various events it sponsors along Avenida Del Mar and the alley improvement program.

Baker argued that the taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing private business groups.

"I understand that the Chamber and the DBA do good work in the city -- I get that," Baker said. "I think the taxpayers are tired of funding business organizations with their tax dollars."

Evert countered: "On the contrary, I think most of the citizens would be upset if we pulled funding from these events."

The Downtown Business Association uses the $44,000 to help pay for the , and other Avenida Del Mar parades and events.

Michael Kaupp, who heads the DBA, argued that the events have become so ensconsed in community life that they had a larger purpose than just bringing in business downtown; they make San Clemente a destination, bringing tax revenue.

He compared the downtown area to a park rather than a street full of businesses.

"It's hundreds of thousands of people per year, and it's a destination," Kaupp argued. "As I said, it's probably the most used park in the city, and if you look at what it takes to run a park, you're probably getting off cheap."

Councilmen and took a middle road. Brown agreed to the DBA allocation, but suggested a broader strategic plan to wean the group off city funds.

"I think there needs to be some point in there where the business community says, 'We got this,'" Brown said.

Dahl agreed.

"I agree with Tim and Bob," he said. "We spent $413,000 over the past nine years...It's a big chunk of money. I think, like Tim said, there should be a way for reducing this amount."

Both allocations were approved 4-1 with Baker dissenting.

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Sicmarc May 9, 2013 at 07:35 pm
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Tom Barnes May 9, 2013 at 03:05 pm
Linda, The hypocrisy of opposing subsidies for Spizzirri and the Miramar after you and your companyRead More had the city spend a million on your LAB project is almost laughable. You also accepted an indirect subsidy from the city in the form of parking concessions for the Casino. The irony of big business opposing subsidies for others while accepting them for themselves is long remembered by San Clemente residents. Some consistency would be refreshing.
Lindsey Hanson May 8, 2013 at 03:31 pm
Linda you were 100% okay with such subsidies when they were offered to you. Heck you sued the cityRead More after the residents shut your project down before you could reap the benefits of the millions in subsidies you were set to gain. If you're banking on the residents of San Clemente forgetting your personal and direct involvement in the very same practices you can grantee I'll help remind them. See the thing is I agree with you about giving handouts to folks like YOU and Marc Spizzirri. It's DEAD wrong. The very reason I fought so hard to shut down YOUR PDN. So now that we all remember your involvement in the very same kinds of activities you are protesting we can clearly see why you are upset. You've done such a nice job with the Casino. It IS unfair if they grant subsidies to Mr. Spizzirri after denying you. That in itself is enough reason to be upset and a legitimate reason to protest. But, you cannot deny it is part of your beef with the situation.
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