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Caltrans Sign Nixed; State Might Build Anyway

The council did what it could within its jurisdiction to stymie a digital California Department of Transportation sign in south San Clemente, but the state may be able to build anyway.

The City Council unanimously nixed state plans to put a tall digital traffic message sign on Interstate 5 across from Big Helyn's and south San Clemente neighborhoods, but it might build it anyway.

"I think its important for you not to create the impression that your decision tonight will prevent this sign from being built," City Manager George Scarborough said about the California Department of Tranportation project. "They may have superseding authority."

Workers already poured the concrete base for the changeable-message sign -- the kind that projects drive times, Amber Alerts, car wrecks and other traffic information -- that can be seen from a number of angles in residential neighborhoods, such as Avenida Dolores and others.

Caltrans has the authority to build the sign on the highway land but needed permission to bring electricity across El Camino Real to I-5 north. That's the city's jurisdiction.

Caltrans officials say the changeable-message signs are vital to making the roads safer and traffic more efficient. Gary Slater, the traffic operations chief for the agency's local branch, cited almost 40 national traffic studies that show the signs drastically reduce ancillary accidents when a wreck is announced ahead of time.

"Thirty-seven independent studies on dynamic signs showed these reduced accidents," Slater said. "They provide instantaneous response to traffic conditions. Nationwide, they provide the fastest information to the motorist."

Also, he said, the south San Clemente sign is part of Caltrans' plan to install the devices every three to five miles at "decision points" along the highway, where drivers could exit and take surface streets. The next one heading north is also in San Clemente, four miles up the freeway.

Council members all agreed to not only shoot down the electrical encroachment permit, but also to formally oppose the sign. They criticized Caltrans for failing to adequately communicate with the city and its residents, many of whom have fought to ban digital signs and billboards along the freeway.

Councilman Jim Dahl cited recent controversy centered on a soundwall built in the south end of town, which blocked large chunks of ocean views for many residents.

"I think the problem is the failure of communication between Caltrans and the city," he said.

Mayor Jim Evert agreed, saying the public's will to keep digital signs off the freeway was clear.

"You could say, 'get the public in here,'" he said. "I don't think that's necessary. You could get 50 people in here and they would all say the same thing as the three people who spoke [against the sign] tonight."

Councilman Tim Brown pointed out huge advances in mobile technology that he felt made the signs obsolete. He also said the proposed south San Clemente sign was redundant, given the one that is positioned four miles north.

Councilman Bob Baker, who ran his campaign in large part on the vow to reject digital billboards at the planned Marblehead Outlets, was also vehemently opposed to the sign.

"I typically side with the experts, but I'm going to go with local knowlege on this," he said.

Whether the state will or can force San Clemente to allow the electrical encroachment or bring in other electrical service that doesn't enter San Clemente jurisdiction, allowing it to build the sign anyway, remains to be seen.

Correction: The first name of the Caltrans district director was mistaken in the photo caption of an earlier version of this article. Patch regrets the error.

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Sicmarc May 9, 2013 at 07:35 pm
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Tom Barnes May 9, 2013 at 03:05 pm
Linda, The hypocrisy of opposing subsidies for Spizzirri and the Miramar after you and your companyRead More had the city spend a million on your LAB project is almost laughable. You also accepted an indirect subsidy from the city in the form of parking concessions for the Casino. The irony of big business opposing subsidies for others while accepting them for themselves is long remembered by San Clemente residents. Some consistency would be refreshing.
Lindsey Hanson May 8, 2013 at 03:31 pm
Linda you were 100% okay with such subsidies when they were offered to you. Heck you sued the cityRead More after the residents shut your project down before you could reap the benefits of the millions in subsidies you were set to gain. If you're banking on the residents of San Clemente forgetting your personal and direct involvement in the very same practices you can grantee I'll help remind them. See the thing is I agree with you about giving handouts to folks like YOU and Marc Spizzirri. It's DEAD wrong. The very reason I fought so hard to shut down YOUR PDN. So now that we all remember your involvement in the very same kinds of activities you are protesting we can clearly see why you are upset. You've done such a nice job with the Casino. It IS unfair if they grant subsidies to Mr. Spizzirri after denying you. That in itself is enough reason to be upset and a legitimate reason to protest. But, you cannot deny it is part of your beef with the situation.
CC May 1, 2013 at 11:46 am
Frank Mitchell has the correct FACTUAL not emotional response. Ann D to call yourself a "lovingRead More citizen" and name someone a bigot in the same paragraph shows your true colors. If you truly feel that having non-english speaking children is not a burden on our school system then I suggest you go volunteer in a local elementary school on a weekly basis as I have done then you would be a true "loving citizen"
Ann D May 1, 2013 at 01:58 am
It's just a difference of opinion on where tax dollars should be spent. As a taxpayer I feel myRead More hefty taxes are better served educating children that will grow up into productive adults--"alien" or not they are a hard working people group. We spend far too much on wars and such...spend money on investing in people and guess what I am also fine with the free lunch program. :-) My tax dollars, my vote, money where my heart is. It's fine your heart or passion lies where it does...that's what makes America so great and makes so many people want to come here. Guess what? Your relatives came here too so "alien" status is a little more close to home than you think perhaps.
tiny May 1, 2013 at 12:41 am
Ann D, Williams alien ship may be a u-boat with pariscope up.
lily May 6, 2013 at 06:51 pm
Vikki yes I agree, more bully breed owners should be out there advocating for the breed. ThereRead More are wonderful groups that do just that, but we need more.
PK May 6, 2013 at 05:22 pm
Bottom line is that any animal that is abused or trained to be aggressive by low life owners will beRead More a threat to people and other animals. You cannot blame the animal for how it is treated. It is the owners who brutalize breeds to become this way. I have known some pit bull's that have been treated well, with love and care, and they are the nicest most loyal animals out there. Owners and breeders are responsible.
Vikki Foley Boyd May 6, 2013 at 02:10 pm
Lilly, I think we are saying the same thing. You can't make broad statements about any group.Read More I would never use the word "all" but you can identify 'trends' and draw a correlation between criminals and their choices, i.e., 'generally', drug dealers will own guns. People are ignoramuses if they said to your face that you must be a drug dealer because of your breed. The rescue people think I'm a pretentious highbrow because I will only own a purebred AKC dog. I could care less. They are entitled to their opinion. It's my money and my training time that I put into my dog. Like I said , pitbull owners need to get out there in the dog sports world like Jen. Once the public see's more of these dogs doing amazing work with their responsible handlers, this will show the breed in a more positive light. Instead they sit on chat rooms and complain how they are discriminated against. AKC now allows mixed breed and non-AKC registered dogs to compete in obedience. This is not an expensive sport and can be very rewarding for both dog and handler.
Victoria Carll May 1, 2013 at 02:32 am
Alex, I am so proud of you! Great job. We love you. Aunt Victoria
Tom Scott April 30, 2013 at 03:37 pm
Best wishes and congratulations, Alex! From Tom Scott and your Camino Real Playhouse friends.