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Local Group Lobbies for Dog Beach

The newly formed San Clemente Dog Beach Now group wants a section of beach in town to run their pooches.

The new San Clemente Dog Beach Now group wants just what its name says—a place to run pooches in the surf.

Tuesday night, . Some people , but about a half-dozen residents came to lobby for a dog beach.

"We understand that these things can be daunting sometimes, but it has worked out in other places," said Don Slater, a founder of the group.

Members of the group cited the dog beaches in Huntington Beach and Del Mar as successes.

One member pointed to the potential economic benefit of an influx of dog lovers into town.

"I personally, just to practice with my dog, drive to San Diego," said Megan LaRue, a professional dog trainer and San Clemente resident. "And guess where my money goes? With these events, they attract thousands."

One resident, Helen McCue, worried that dog waste would infect the sand at the beach.

The Beaches, Parks and Recreation Committee with be responsible for presenting city officials with a recommendation concerning the potential for allowing dogs on the beach in San Clemente. They meet again in the first half of December.

Lindsey Hanson November 09, 2011 at 05:40 PM
Nothing like the feeling of warm dog poo between your toes. It has been estimated that a single gram of dog waste can contain 23 million fecal coliform bacteria, which are known to cause cramps, diarrhea, intestinal illness, and serious kidney disorders in humans. EPA even estimates that two or three days’ worth of droppings from a population of about 100 dogs would contribute enough bacteria to temporarily close a bay, and all watershed areas within 20 miles of it, to swimming and shell fishing.Well, EPA explains that the decay of your pet’s waste actually creates nutrients for weeds and algae that grow in the waterways. As these organisms thrive on your dog’s droppings, they overtake the water in a “Little Shop of Horrors-esque” manner, and limit the amount of light that can penetrate the water’s surface. As a result, oxygen levels in the water decrease, and the fish and seafood we eat can be asphyxiated, EPA says.YEAH!
Lindsey Hanson November 09, 2011 at 05:40 PM
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), pet droppings can contribute to diseases animals pass to humans, called zoonoses. When infected dog poop is deposited on your lawn, the eggs of certain roundworms and other parasites can linger in your soil for years. Anyone who comes into contact with that soil—be it through gardening, playing sports, walking barefoot or any other means—runs the risk of coming into contact with those eggs; especially your dog.
Amanda C. November 09, 2011 at 06:24 PM
Can doesn't mean these worst case scenarios always happen. Additionally, since we allow dogs on the trail right next to the beach, any waste that is left behind is already entering the watershed into the ocean. But because of responsible pet ownership, that isn't a problem and hasn't resulted in any of these problems.
Lindsey Hanson November 09, 2011 at 06:38 PM
You can prove with a simple walk down Talega sidewalks pet owners are not as responsible as you think. And my comments are not worst care scenario, they are facts. Sad scary facts but true non the less.
Teddy Smith November 09, 2011 at 07:48 PM
What have dogs ever done to you? Dogs should have the right to run somewhere in San Clemente that is not a 50X50 foot caged in area! I surf in the same water that you call contaminated and do you know that human waste is fifty times more contaminating to our oceans then dog waste. There is a debris pile from the tsunami in Japan that is the size of Texas and on it's way to our shores here in San Clemente. I am saying a little dog poop here and there is only "a drop in the bucket" compared to the problems that face our oceans. Let the dogs have some space to play, the proposed area is not even accessible during high tide, so good luck walking there when the tide is up.
Adam Townsend November 09, 2011 at 07:53 PM
To be clear, it should be noted that this group is not lobbying for unrestricted beach access for dogs; they ask for a designated area.
Lindsey Hanson November 09, 2011 at 08:06 PM
I agree and feel that no one that can not provide such space for their animals shouldn't own one. " I am saying a little dog poop here and there is only "a drop in the bucket" compared to the problems that face our oceans". Could you imagine if everyone felt this way about all the pollutants that plague our oceans??? Oh crap that's right ignorance and apathy are abundant that's why our oceans are in dire trouble. Imagine a world with no seafood by 2050? It's a reality! Our oceans are teaming with bacteria and acids eating away at reefs and eco systems all created by over fishing and pollutants. So yeah I do think even a little dog waste is a problem. Drop in a bucket my behind! Here is an analogy, drop one drop of back paint into a gallon of white and you have grey!
Mr Salty November 09, 2011 at 08:25 PM
I'd be willing to wager an off leash dog beach in San Clemente would bring far more people to town then any shopping center. So Cal Cities that enjoy an off leash dog beach AND PROFIT FROM EXTRA VISITORS include Coronado, Ocean Beach, San Diego (Fiesta Island), Del Mar and Solana Beach, Huntington Beach, Long Beach, Santa Barbara and Cayucos. Laguna allows leashed dogs on the beach in the off season. The San Clemente Dog Park is so small and pathetic it's an embarassment to the city.
Lindsey Hanson November 09, 2011 at 08:59 PM
The beach is not the answer Mr. Salty.
Mr Salty November 09, 2011 at 09:15 PM
Says you.
Lindsey Hanson November 09, 2011 at 09:22 PM
Are you not worried about the environmental effects?
Mr Salty November 10, 2011 at 04:07 PM
Hi Lindsey, Nope, Not even a teensie tiny little bit. If the city finally sees the light and goes ahead with allowing an off leash dog beach, I will be there every day; picking up after my dogs and making sure every one else does as well. Besides, There's FAR more to worry about from urban runoff. The stuff that comes out of the storm drains is MUCH worse then just dog doo. Also, You do realize there are homeless people living in the canyons and hidden in the brush along the beach don't you? Where do you think they relieve themselves? Also, You must not worry about the gull, tern, cormorant, crow, ground squirrel, possum, skunk and COYOTE poop already on the beach....... My SWIMPAL and I have been to every dog beach on the California coast and one thing you always see at a dog beach is out of town tourists. Thankful and happy to have a place for their four legged children to play. I love San Clemente and have been here long enough to remember when it was NOT against the law to have your dog on the beach and I'd like it that way again. I shouldn't have to leave town to get my dogs some real exercise.
Lindsey Hanson November 10, 2011 at 05:26 PM
Out of town tourists thankful and happy to have a place for their four legged children to poop. I love San Clemente and have been here long enough to remember when it was NOT against the law to have your dog on the beach and it was covered in dog poop. "I shouldn't have to leave town to get my dogs some real exercise" You don't have to. It's called the beach trail. And yes I am fully aware of the run off problems. That's why I help out the WaterShed Task force. I also live on one for the canyon's you are mentioning and walk it regularly. Your only argument is "It's already bad so screw it, what's a little more pollution?
Mr Salty November 10, 2011 at 07:50 PM
You obviously are very concerned about this. Can you name one person made ill by dog doo?
Mr Salty November 10, 2011 at 07:51 PM
I never said anything was bad BTW.
Lindsey Hanson November 10, 2011 at 10:05 PM
If you mean acquired a parasite, yes. ick!
Don Slater December 28, 2012 at 07:49 AM
Hi Lindsey, my Golden retriever is dying right now without having been on the beach for a year. I hope you are proud of yourself.
Lindsey Hanson December 28, 2012 at 04:07 PM
I am not proud of myself. More so I am relieved and thankful the people of San Clemente could make and educated decision on the matter. Sadly Don people do not clean up after their pets. Just last week, I stepped in Dog crap on the trail. I also watched an owner of a small dog let it crap on the sidewalk on Del Mar and they did not clean it up. Also at the top of the stairs near headquarters I watched a man let his dog crap in his neighbor’s yard and pretend like he didn’t notice. A side from the filth of dog waste animals are unpredictable. I am so so so very glad your dog along with all the other dogs in the area are not allowed on the beach. We as a community should be thankful the decision was made. People flocking from all over to bring their dogs to our beaches would be an absolute nightmare. As for your dog specifically, lots of dogs never make it to the beach. I'm sorry if you choose to live in a place that does not give your animal enough room to live a happy life. That decision above all others sounds like the tragedy. And why you think I specifically had anything to do with this to warrant pride is just strange, unless your note is soley based on my ability to voice my opinion.
Don Slater December 28, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Dakota passed away this morning at 8 am. Lindsey I hear that in person you are a completely different personality and rather nice. Here on the computer hidden away behind a mask of annonimity you are a mean-spirited, crass, angry woman. There were very few people against the Dog Beach. Moving a community forward is a tremendous amount of effort by passionate people working hard to make a difference. Unfortunately, you have found it far more entertaining to go the easy route. It is much easier to pop a balloon then it is to blow it up.Try to take that passion and make a difference in this world. I have gon back and read most of your posts on this site,maybe you should do the same. Yes, what you say probably influences a few people, the disgusting words and attitudes will appeal to a certain crowd. But having a mean mouth does no good for the future and only helps to foster a divided city. I have noticed that you ride a Harley motorcycle, I can appreciate the lifestyle. It looks like a lot of fun. These bikes are very loud, this is a bragging right of the owners. The noise sets up a resonance in many people's ears that actually hurts them physically. I am pretty sure that poop has never hurt you, yet you cannot live and let live. Your choise in recreation affects others yet they find a way to live and let live. In closing maybe you can find the personality you project in person and use it on the internet, it is far better to be a positive person working for good. Don & Dakota
Lindsey Hanson December 29, 2012 at 03:49 AM
All crazy aside, I am very sorry for your loss. Truly, please accept my condolences.
Don Slater December 29, 2012 at 05:39 AM
Thank You from the deepest part of my heart. Today has been a very hard day, but being able to hold his head and comfort him as he passed touched me deeply. I also thank you for your kind response. Love and kindness are all that matter in the end. Yours Truly, Don.

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